One25 Community Resilience Fund review

Hello, um, it's Friday, the 11th of July. Um, I'm Deborah Vitori Garman, uh, and I'm the community reporter today. Uh, I am Rachel Collins. I'm operations manager at 125

Um, so I am responsible for everything relating to our services at 125. Amazing. Um, so thank you for welcoming me, me and your, um, health hub

Um, I wondered if you could tell me a little bit about Um, the organisation, the work you do, um, and then I guess leading from that, uh, how the grant has helped you kind of deliver. Cool, I'm trying to stay on track. Um, so, uh, 125 is actually 30 years old this year

Um, and we are an organisation that, uh, works in Bristol and supports women who are street sex working. Um, we're the only organisation that specifically works with women who street sex work, um. And we have 3 services that help us kind of connect with women and bring them into, um, support

So, um, our most kind of like unique service, I think is actually our an outreach. So we go out onto the peat area 7 nights a week or we aim to be out 7 nights a week. Um, and that's us taking our support out to the them

So we know that women who street sex work. Face some of the most complex multiple disadvantage, um, kind of within within the city, um, quite often other women's services just don't work for our women, um, because of, Um, because of all of the issues that they're kind of dealing with daily, um, so on a real practical level, if women are out working all night, it's really hard for them to kind of get to 9 a.m

appointments, 10 a.m. appointments and things like that, so

Um, we kind of understand those complexities that women face, and we kind of adjust our services in order to make sure that we're meeting their needs and they're not just trying to fit into a services box really. Um, so in order for us to kind of be reaching those women, we need to be out when they're working. So we take our van out every night

It's a really unique service in that respect. There's no other services out at that time unless you're calling emergency services. Um, so the ban is like really the first starting point of how we, um, start to support women

Um, so on the van, so we head out, um, Sunday to Thursday, we go out 9 o'clock till midnight, and then on Friday and Saturday we stay out until 1:30 in the morning. Um, we take out, um, a whole range of things that women will need at that moment. So we take our food packages, um, and every woman that we supported last year received food from us

So, um, the food package kind of provides a sandwich, fruit. Chocolates, crisps, juice, a cake. So we have cake volunteers, so volunteers specifically to kind of like make cakes for us, which is great

um, and quite often women say that that is the only food that they've had that day. So it's really kind of vital resource in terms of actually them being able to eat. Um, and we look at kind of nourishment, um, through the fruit and the sandwiches, but then also we're looking at as much as possible trying to get calories into them as well

So that's why we're providing kind of the chocolate and the cake as well. Um, on the van as well, we provide hot drinks. Hot chocolates are incredibly popular, um, and we're also providing harm reduction, um, equipment as well, so clean needles for women to use

A lot of women that we're supporting, and we kind of have active drug and alcohol issues. Um, we can also provide foil and really importantly, we provide naloxone as well. So that's um something that we can administer if someone's overdosing, um, from opiates

So it just kind of knocks that off the brain and can help with, well, it will save it saves lives essentially, um, and we have administered that on the van. Um, we also provide condoms and lube, um, so women access and whilst working, need that resource in order to be, uh, safe. Um, we have first aid kit, um, we have clothing as well

So if women have either had items rocked from them or, you know, change in weather conditions, means that women can be absolutely soaked through and that's their only possessions, we have, um, emergency clothing for them as well, um. I think that is everything all panic alarms, toiletries, sanitary products, we kind of take all of them out as well. Um, some women know exactly what's on the van

They'll be very kind of like quick and asking what they need. Um, some women that we haven't met before, you know, it kind of takes a bit of time for them to come to the van and access that support and kind of introduce it and allow us to introduce ourselves, um. Sometimes women will just kind of come up with a hot chocolate and that's like totally cool, it's just a chat, um, but we have been there at moments of crisis, so women who are homeless need housing that night, uh, women that have been sexually assaulted and raped, um, on the beat area, um, you know, acute mental health challenges in that moment, um

Physical health issues where we need to get them to hospital straight away, um, so it's really, really varied, no shift is ever the same. Um, each night we have a team of 3 go out and it'll be either fully volunteer led, um, might be partially staff led or fully staff led. Um, so we have 3 people go out each night, and that's where women can access the van and come on

Um, if we've only got 2 people on shifts, we just kind of provide support at the window, um, because if we've got women on the van and then women presenting at the window, it's just an awful lot for 2 people to try. What's the system then? Do they speak at the window and then come around and kind of say hello at the window. It allows us to double check names as well we have a record of who you speak with, so we, we keep records of everybody that we see, women that we cite, we keep, um, records of, um, descriptions of what people are wearing because actually if something then happens to them at any time we've got a record of them we've seen and then we also record, um, what support we've provided as well um

So the van is like there is incredibly important. So last year we've just closed our kind of reporting years we kind of go from April to May to April, um, but last year we supported 192 women on the van, so it was another increase on the year before. So we keep seeing this, um, yearly increase

Um, those regular, you'll see them really mixed, so we'll have some women who we always see. We'll have some women that kind of come in and out. Um, we have some women we've never met before

We have some women within that number and we still don't know their full name. Um, so I think that's kind of like what's quite unique about the 125 support is sometimes, sometimes it just, it just takes such a long time to engage with women. So the van, it sounds like the van was the core kind of at the core of what 125 does

So is that since the start. Yeah, so, um, I think the very first service which 125. Dropping and it was at 125 on Cheltenham Road until we moved here and then the van kind of came from that

But before 125 had the van, they used to just go out on foot with the backpack, um, uh, a thermos of hot chocolate and they'll be talking to the women that way and that's where they realised that there was very little specific service for for these women, um, and it's kind of just born from there so. You know, it's really sad to kind of say we've known women for that long. Um, but also we're incredibly saddened by the fact that the numbers of women who are now using the bank keep growing up as well

Um, but then. If we didn't have the van, we wouldn't be connecting with those women. So it's incredibly important that we have that

So and you said it's like a first step, isn't it into kind of encourage them to come to the health hub at the physical building? Yes, for sure. So, um, the health hub, um, is based here at our offices. We've got the casework office just above as well, um, it's on Grove and Road, so it's not too far from the beat area, um, and women can drop in any time from 12:31 to 3:30 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday

This year we are going to scope out extending those hours and then we're also going to scope out making our outreach hours later as well. Um, we do also take the van out on a Wednesday morning as well, sorry, so, um, generally the police, the vice operations will be out on a Tuesday night. So it just means that women tend to then come out later, don't necessarily want to see the police, um, so it just allows us to see them in the morning if they've been out working all night, we can kind of see them for a cup of tea, a bit of breakfast

And potentially bring them back here as well. OK, um, in the, in, uh, can come in, it's a really informed space. It's, um, drop in

You don't need appointments. There's no expectation to see healthcare, um, so the very first port of call is when they'll come in, they'll be offered a drink. What would you like to eat? Um, so we do hot food every day

Um, women can come and chill and just sit on the sofas and sleep if they need to. Um, they can get clothes, they have showers. We've got laundry provision

We're exploring getting them lockers this year. Actually, a lot of the women don't have a permanent address, so they can actually keep the stuff would be incredible. Um, and then, um, the health support worker and our care coordinator will kind of help

Help women settle into the space and then kind of figure out what their needs are. They might already have a caseworker so they can kind of connect with a caseworker, but they can see a GP once a week. Um, we also provide, um, scripting support here, so it's kind of methadone scripts so women can get back here in a non-clinical space and in a women's only space, um, and they can also see the sexual health nurse on a Tuesday

Those are the things that we build in as well, so we have a hairdresser that comes in once a month, um, Horizons come and do a needle exchange. The police come in so they can kind of just build connections with women, and, uh, rape crisis services and pop in once a month as well. So it's all about just like building connections with women in a really like non-threatening space without a gender or anything like that

So 89 women came into health club last year. We want to keep building on that. Our dream is that the 192 women that are coming onto the van are also coming in to help us

That's a lot of our focus at work. Um, some women just don't want to, like the location might be triggering and unsafe. Sometimes there's, um, issues between women, that means that they don't want to come in

Um, and also then you've actually kind of got the, the physical barriers of the fact that women might have been working all night and then they can't come in crash and then can't get in. So even 3:30 is not late enough. And that's why we want to really scope out what we can do differently to make sure that we're Accessible for sure, yeah, um, so given that you've been using a van since nearly the start, I guess that leads us to a conversation around why you applied for a grant for a new van, like what was the kind of thinking around that? Yeah, so, um, a number, a number of things really

The old van was really um. It's, I, I don't wanna say last legs, but it wasn't great. Um, we'd have like quite a lot of mechanical faults with it, so we actually then weren't able to get the van out because it's in a, um, so we would think around it, we try and do car outreach as a bit of a

Bridging a bridging, but it's just not the same and, you know, it's a big ask of volunteers and stuff for them to use cars and then even, even like the interactions with women kind of getting into cars, it just doesn't see the lines in terms of the support that we want to be providing out there. Um, so we did have quite a lot of mechanical faults, particularly in the last year of that van's life. Um, also the feeling when you got onto the van, it was just very much the back of a van, um, so it

You know, it doesn't, you know, in terms of giving trauma informed services, physical spaces are really important, and there needs to be care and thought that, um, so we wanted a space that actually like women would feel really comfortable coming into and actually they deserve a really comfortable space, why not, yeah, 100%. So we, we wanted to make that, um. A much more trauma informed space as well

Um, I guess in a minute we can walk to the van and then you can actually describe it and like the changes inside and everything. Um, sorry, don't mean to cut you off, but, um, yeah, we'll definitely like explore the van a bit more. Um, I guess one of the Kind of other questions was how has this new van, you know, do you already feel like it's had an impact in terms of how you'll provide your service in the future? I mean, you already talked about the importance of going around where the women are to then kind of encourage them to use a health hub, but do you feel like this, this new van that you got through the funding is helping towards that? Yeah, it's allowing us to be

Because of the reduction in mechanical issues, um, but also it's allowing us to kind of actually move around Bristol a lot more easily because it's electric, um, so we don't have to pay, we don't have to pay the fines, um, because I think kind of sometimes if we're on the beach area and we need to support women to get to hospital, we're then kind of having to come through that zone or go around or if we need to get to emergency accommodation we have to go around. Um, we've had reports that some women might be working in South Bristol. And um further um up the beat area as well, and it just allows us to kind of Change our course across town and kind of respond to that need really um it's just a much more kind of comfortable space as well for our team to be in terms of their well-being and sense of safety when they're out as well, um

So yeah, allowing us to kind of maintain what we were delivering before but also kind of elevate it further as well um I guess if money like sort of if money wasn't an object, what how would you expand or what would be your priority for the future. For the van, yeah, I mean for the van, or would you buy another van, or would you? Well, we had this moment then when we realised that we did, you know, the old van wasn't great, but two vans here, um, like what should we, you know, we're never gonna get two bands again, are we? I don't know. um so we were kind of

Considering whether or not we could then have two shifts that operate that one could be scoping out new areas, um, but we've probably not got quite enough intel from women or the police just to kind of get all of the resource in in order to deliver that, but that's certainly something that we're really, really mindful of. Um, and there would be a need for that. Do you think? I mean, obviously no one wishes more women on the streets, you know, with that kind of level of need

Um, so, but maybe there are women that are being like, you know, we're also really mindful that we come in at midnight during the week. With this, there's probably quite a lot of women that will come out after midnight. So it's all of those kind of, I suppose, missed opportunities in some respects

We're trying to kind of maximise like the use of the van now. So this year, um, healthcare professionals from the health club are now gonna come out of the van, so GP. We come out once a month

We're pretty much always there with a sexual health nurse coming out once a month. So it's kind of addressing that thing that actually if you still can't get into health, we'll bring that out to you. So we're really interested to see kind of how women feel about that um

Yeah, kind of what the what the response is really, so yeah, that sounds amazing. Um, you've spoken about the impact on the delivery of the projects, uh, of the fund. But just doing your work, your amazing work and even better, um, I don't know whether you're involved with the grant application process or yeah, a little, a little bit, um, so we were able to find that

Yeah, um, I think it was all straightforward. Yeah, I think there was some, um, really good challenges that we had around, I think as a result of the grant we managed to have the um. The equalities assessment, the accessibility, etc

came in with his team, um, and that allowed us to really think about like the band space and in here actually because if we could have assessment here that'd be amazing. Um, so I think when like when we were looking at the van actually like where we put the seats, um, how can it be most successful handrails, even the height of the step up into the van. Um, so we're able to consider all of that and then also within how of how, um, someone uses a wheelchair we'd kind of navigate around the space

We've just had that table delivered because actually it's now higher so using um mobility they can actually sit under it. Um, we've got a ramp out here as well now, so. It's just all of those little things that have made us think more

And even the toilets actually down here, the two toilets are absolutely tiny. So we are planning for the back. Um, the shower room to actually have a toilet in as well, more accessible, um, so that's really helpful

That was really, um, a great addition actually, yeah, amazing and kind of an impact on like how you use the grant for in terms of ban but also just more widely on the building and everything, so that's really positive. Um, where do you think you would be if your organisation hadn't received the funding? Honestly, um, I genuinely think that ban wouldn't have lasted any longer, the old van, so. Yeah, I, I mean, I think we probably would have had to have done some kind of appeal to pay for the van, um, for us to get a new one, not even that, you know, we didn't need an electric light was just that it would have been needs must, I think, um, and the impact of us not being out is that women are not being seen, women are not being supported, the risk goes up incredibly, um, but where it is really, really important presence in the boot area

And I guess they expect you know that you've built some relationships as well. Yeah, definitely, you know, um, we have a free phone number on the van as well so women can call to see if we're out. And it always blows my mind because the women, um, often lose phones or have to been taken off them or don't have access to that, but they'll call off so many different numbers

They know that number like it's just like. into their memories the call and and check if we're out or they'll see us come in. So you'll see on the van that we've painted back bright yellow and bright yellow

That's because historically the van's always been yellow or yellow on the front and back so it helps us distinguish us from other. Um it's like it's a trust thing as well, isn't it? Yeah, as well as just the custard tarts because we wanted to maintain that tradition. I love that tart 2

0, and what made you decide to apply for this specific funding? How did you kind of learn about it or yeah, I don't know that might be a bit more of a question for Lizzy, I think she would have led on. Yeah, absolutely. And then I don't know if you, you know, from your perspective from submitting the application to completing the project and getting the van, um, what was that like being part of the it was all very seamless

I think we were probably the blocker well not we were the blocker we received the funds um but then. Actually, the length of time it takes to order a van was just, yeah, so they had to like import it um our um operation and organisational support manager Joy did an amazing job on scoping out what's the best fit the measurements, even at the measurements for the getting the van out of the car park, um. Making sure that it was kind of was comfortable for um volunteers to drive and then also all of the work sourcing, um, the company to do all of the fitting

So there was a lot of design, so we consulted with women on what they wanted inside the van to feel volunteers also made suggestions about what they wanted as well. So it was a really collaborative process, um, and actually, yeah, um. There was nothing on the other side that there was a, um, a block already

We just wanted to make sure we did the process as thoroughly as possible and then it was just waiting for completion. um, so yeah, the, the old van held on till the end and then. Yeah, managed to get the new one out to sell that off or no, we've still got it in a car park around the corner

I think the intention is for us to sell it. how much we would get for it. I don't, yeah, it's amazing yeah yeah great, um

How does the outcome of the fund compare to your initial expectation? I think I'm, it's given us absolutely everything that we needed to deliver and continue to deliver and I think. Um, I think we just feel a lot more assured that we've got a really safe vehicle kind of going out. Um, I feel very, I feel much more

Settled knowing that the team when they're out on the beat area in a really safe environment, um, you can trust the locks on the on the vans, you know what I mean so it just, um. Uh, minimises our risk of worries in that way, I think so brilliant. I'll just pause, um, the conversation and then you can, um, we can go to the van and I'll grab the key again

Oh sorry, I don't want to, so we're at the van now. Yes, so, um. As you can see from inside, uh, we've put a wood panel finish on it just to make it a little bit more comfortable

Yeah, it looks like more insulated, yeah, did, um, kind of, yeah, yeah, go for it. Yeah, we were, um, considered it was gonna look like a bit like a sauna at one stage, but then I actually once we started getting like the seating in and stuff like that, I felt OK, so we've got a bit of, um, greenery in here as well, um, so women can either just chat at the window, so just have window access, um. Sometimes they don't want to get on the van because they're looking for punters and buyers, um, so like busy, they're busy working, um, but we'll always offer if we've got a full team for women to come onto the back

So we'll open the door for them, welcome them on, um, ask them how they're doing, what we can help them with. It's really important that we're asking them, um, if they've had any trouble and how safe they are that night. Um, there's a lot of high risk males um that target the women, and so we need to make sure that we're asking that

Um, we take out a folder actually of ugly mugs reports, so that's where other sex workers have. Made reports about dangerous males and then we'll also take out a perpetrator folder as well, so pictures of males that we know are high risk. They're given to us by the police

So we can talk with women about safety advice. We're also giving them safety advice about standing in well lit areas by CCTV, working in pairs. Not getting into cars, which has more than one person in not using, not wearing scarves or anything like that, make sure they've got charged phone if possible, um, so we're giving them that safety advice and the van's got charging points

Yeah, the van's got charging points now, which is wicked. And also because we've now got more space in the van. And it's a lot more confidential

We also now have early evidence kits that come out with us. The police have trained our teams on how to take, um, sample samples, yeah. So, um, we take clothing samples, uh, non-invasive swabs

Um, and then we can take, um, a record of the account from the woman. And they can do it completely anonymously with us, so we can then kind of hold that evidence and then when they're ready to report, it's there for them. So it's just another option because women do can struggle, uh, reporting to the police and get into other services

So it's just another option, and we've used it twice, I think, and once very successfully, and um they actually arrested and charged that male, which is incredible. And that started on the ban. So if we hadn't been there in that moment, which might well have not recorded

OK. And is that from like sitting down having a hot chocolate, yeah, shifts is really one of our really experienced band workers who saw all of that process through. Um, but yeah, just incredibly amazing that she was there in that moment as well and unable to kind of talk it through

So we've got already evidence kit there, first aid. This is where we keep some clothing and extra water for tonight. Um, we have a small notice board

We don't want to kind of inundate women with information when they're on here, but we like to tell them what's on the menu for July and health, where Heub is, um, and then just a little bit about reporting as well. Um, we've then kind of got some decent storage now, which is wicked, so we've got, um, cards, uh, oh, so we've got, um, other services cards if we need it, rape alarms, uh, wipes. Uh, food bags are at the bottom, so that's where we put the pre-made food bags, and then we'll ask women which sandwich they want

Um, cheese and pickles are very popular. Egg actually has started being quite popular, protein, yeah, for sure. So anyway we can kind of get protein in, um, but then we'll also do ham, tuna, Marmite, sometimes jam

Um, and sometimes mixed up with wraps or rolls as well, um, and then we've got sanitary products. We were very busy last night, so I might, we might need to stock up, but we've got wipes, little toiletry bags, what am I saying, uh, toothbrush, toothpaste, and, um. Uh, sanitary products as well, and then we've got our hot drinks

So all labelled, which is wicked. um, hot chocolates is pretty much standard. Someone did ask me for a cup of tea the other week and it really threw me that nobody ever asked for tea

It's always hot chocolate with marshmallows and cream. Um, and then, yeah, and then we've got our harm reduction kits at the bottom as well, um, so that's our naloxone, uh, harm reduction, and these are our foils as well, um. So, and how vulnerable do you think your van is to like the like I see that here it's parked quite securely

Yeah, very secure here. Um, yeah, we've got a double gates all locked and then when you're out and about, it's just, yeah, there's nothing here that really, no, no, it's, it's all, um, it's all very, very protected, nothing of value. We, we take out a tablet with us now actually, so we can do our notes

That's a new change for us. We're, we're getting digital, um. Which has been a bit of a slow process, and we wanted to make sure that it didn't kind of like, um, impact our interactions with women as well, but when, when we're out anyway, we'll always come off the beat area to write up our notes, um, we don't want women to

We don't want, we don't want women to make it feel like we're sat there writing notes about one kind of thing, it's more about us putting the interactions with them and first we'll come off the and then do the write up, um. So that's probably the only thing of value we would ever really have on. Um, we've got coats and jumpers at the top which women can have a little look through and then we take our underwear, socks, condoms, and then these are the more seasonal ones

So at the moment this is full of sun cream. Which is great. Um, pretty good, so yeah, it's a really, really lovely space

Do you, how do you like refill these? So yeah, so we've got, yeah, well, bit of a mix, so we buy the food. People volunteer to bake cakes for us, which is lovely. Um, we get the, uh, all of our condoms in lube now

We get that from you know, which is sexual health service in Bristol. I've just had a call with them. They're about to send 6 months worth through to us, which is great, um, and then hats and gloves, um, tend to be donated

Some women knit them for us as well, which is cool. Um, underwear and socks we buy, because they're very popular and then we get clothing donations from the public. So we tend to put a shout out out and say what we're needing, um, and people are incredibly generous, um, but we'd like to be specific with the asks because otherwise you get an awful lot of stuff that Um, this isn't a, yeah, it just isn't appropriate sometimes as well, and you end up with huge amounts of donations to go through as well

Um, but yeah, we've got a storeroom inside the building where we kind of store all of that. So the team leader each night will kind of be responsible for making sure the stocks are all good and ready to go. Um, and the team leader will sit in the passenger side

Um, sometimes I'll be moving around the van when we're parked up, and then a volunteer will be sat at the back, and then the driver stays in the driver's seat the whole time. They do, they do not move out of the van. The role is spotting women and ensuring that the van is safe and that they're kind of parked safely and um

Yeah, we have a code word, um, to kind of get moved there. So yeah, so it's just in case they, um, if there is something kind of dangerous, we don't want to panic people, but we have a code word for. needing to move on, you put this um curtain down, yeah, so if women are getting changed or if we use the evidence kit or if we just needed to feel a bit more kind of confidential, uh, we put the curtain down, uh, which is nice

The guy was really nice and fit in that for us. The fitter was great actually. He was

We kind of changed our minds about the designs quite a few times, um, yeah, because we definitely needed a full seat because then if we take women's hospital or emergency accommodation they can sit in the back we can just take them with us. So, yeah. So

Oh, yes, so we've got yellow at the front and back, the back doors and the bonnet, um, and historically, the 125 banner has always been yellow or had yellow on the front and back. So, um, women have always affectionately called it the custard tart. So we wanted to maintain that, um

Maintain that history really and then also the women know that it's us, um, so they can see us coming. The lights are quite bright at the front. So I think and then when they see the flash of yellow, they know it's safe, they know it's our service and that it's not someone else basically so yeah

Charging equipment on the 125 premises. Yeah, all good. Um, I think we, um, had a lot of inductions for all of our drivers when we first got the van

Have you got solar panels? No, no, um, but yeah, all, all electric charges. That would be amazing. That, that could be incredible

Yeah, definitely. No worries. So we're back in the health club

Um, thank you for showing me around. It's amazing to hear about the impact of the grant and the work that you do. So thank you for your time

Um, I guess one question I had was, um. Have you met other organisations or, I mean, you've probably worked with organisations to receive funding and has that kind of Brought together in any way? Yeah, I think there was a session that we did at City Hall which was really, really great, um, which brought together all of the recipients and they, um, provided an update on their project. Um, so I knew that Nelson Trust had some funding, but I think Square Food had also had some funding as well, and they previously used to do sessions with our one of our old services P&E, so it's lovely to kind of hear about how they were getting on, um, but yeah, Nelson Trust we link in, um

Quite a lot with, um, we're looking to kind of build on that partnership because women that have kind of like exited street sex work, um. We kind of want to make sure that they're linked in with like, um, other women's services kind of in Bristol and they're dropping space is incredible and they've got so many good groups there. um, but we just need to kind of develop that a little bit further, I think, to really make sure that we're maximising supporting women to get there

Um, quite often it is hard for women moving on from 1 to 5 and it's. Often the cyclical nature of sex work. Um, so we do want to kind of better explore that partnership and I think, um, actually from the increased working with Nelson Trust, I think we'll probably try and explore some kind of joint move on role

um, so someone that can be based here and the Nelson Trust to really kind of bridge that gap as well. Um, but their sense is amazing and some women we do support do go to Nelson Trust. We are aware that they're attending groups and things like that

So, um. Yeah, and then, yeah, I remember seeing um the recipients from Square Food and as I said, they used to do sessions for us and if we ever built up back like a service like that, we would definitely have them back in. But there were so many lovely like community centre ones was it Hartcliff City Farm

They had some brilliant updates about like their play barns and things like that, and it's just amazing the impact you kind of quickly see on the local community in terms of coming there, and I think Hartcliff City Farm would then have. So it was like a local business that's set up to sell copies and then they were then based there so it's just that ripple effect of having like a really honestly it's like super powerful, isn't it? And it's like, you know, they've got businesses running from there that wouldn't have been set up. They've got like, um, parents and children making connections, especially needed when children's centres are shut down and they these hubs are so like important

And that's why this hub is so important for our women as well, like it's real ownership that it's theirs, um, and that they feel at home here and it's, yeah, definitely. Great, well thank you very much for your time. Thank you for coming and thank you for choosing us as well

Do you know what I mean? It's, um, yeah, incredible, um, really what's given to us, so, and we've definitely maximised it for sure. So yeah, thank you very much thank you.