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Reflections on co-production
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what's bring you here today?
So, um,
we filled in a collaborative application to come and join the project.
Um, so I'm, um I've come from
and
Integrated Care Foundation Trust.
The acronym for that is the IC F T T and G IC f t.
Um,
and, um
basically,
um, a group of people have come together,
Um,
from
the trust people with lived experience,
um, people from the local authority,
um,
also from voluntary sector organisations within towns
and
as well,
um, just to see
what co
production kind of looks like already in tameside and glosser.
But also, um,
how we can
make it so that that's something that happens
as a usual way of working across tameside.
Um
and so that was the reason for kind of doing this particular
putting ourselves forward for this particular project because we we wanted,
I suppose a little bit of, um
a broader understanding,
I guess
before we embark on whatever it is that we're going to do,
Um, So, yeah, so that's the reason.
So
what?
What does coal production actually look like at the minute in tapes?
Good question. Good question. Um,
so it looks different across lots of different organisations,
so there's some really, really good stuff happening.
Um, So, for example, one of the partners that we've got involved, um, in
the initial conversations around coproduction is,
um health and well-being College in Ashton.
Um and they've got a really good model of coproduction in that they, um,
run their college with
people who are experts by experience and also experts by expertise.
And so they deliver courses for students.
Um,
with um,
who have come out of maybe an acute hospital, acute mental health
issues and things like that,
um as part of their recovery, they'll get involved in courses and things like that.
So
that's something that's really good that's happening in
time.
Um,
we've also got different things happening within the voluntary sector
where there's lots of community asset based types of programmes happening.
Um,
so some of our community development workers
from organisations like action together and the bureau
will
find out what it is that people want
locally
and,
you know, make that happen with people.
So
we know that there's some good stuff out there, but we want to particularly, I think,
within the trust itself.
So and particularly in the hospital space. So within the hospitals in towns
General Hospital,
we want to know how co
production can work within the hospital as well.
Um,
and more broadly across the trust.
Have you got any kind of ideas for how you think that might develop?
Um,
so at the moment, we've got a working group of people, Like I said, um,
and we're just trying to tease some of that
out with the conversations that we're having with people.
Um, so
I think some of the things that I've heard already today
are going to be really helpful to take back to that
working group so that we can start developing some ideas around.
I think
something that Cam said
just before
was around the conditions for co production to happen.
You know, what are the conditions you need to ensure that co production can happen?
Um,
and I think the working group might be able to do some of that.
So it's more about creating an environment than creating, like a set of rules,
or like best practise or something like that.
Yeah. It's understanding what makes it work. What makes coproduction work?
What do we need
in order
and that that that could be around. Like, what are the conditions that
make it
make it happen for people
so that it feels an equal reciprocal process.
And all of those things that we say coproduction is
Do you think you've got any idea?
Like, just as I didn't a guess as to what them conditions would be like
putting you on the spot now.
Sorry, I've obviously got personal, you know, um,
opinions of what I think the conditions should be.
Um, but I suppose you know,
and and that's obviously going to be an important part of the process of sharing.
Um,
you know, I think there needs to be some understanding at all levels.
You
know,
that
We need to hear what people are saying.
We need to act on what people are saying,
and we need to work with people to
understand how those actions can make a difference.
Um, I'm not sure that
we it will be something that we will get there quickly with,
um I think it'll take some time to kind of
tease quite a lot of this stuff out.
So you think
you think it's going to require a little bit of patience and stuff like that.
It's going to be a long process. I think it's going to require a lot of patience.
Yeah, but do you know what? What? I I'm quite new to take side
as well. So
I
joined
the organisation. The trust itself in May this year
And what I've picked up already is that
there's a lot of passion and enthusiasm for this.
And so the time is now
there's a little there's a window of opportunity.
There is a definite window of opportunity. Paddy.
Ok, cool. Cool. So where is it you've joined us from?
Like have you have you actually travelled up here? Like, if you just No.
So, um, I am I'm based in Cheshire.
Um but my previous job was with the Royal College of Physicians
and
Patient Involvement Advisor, where
we try to do co production. But
it was not
the right condition
Coro
product
to happen, So Yeah,
so Yeah,
OK. Why? Why was that? Why did it? Why do you think it didn't happen at the time?
Um
I think the
some institutions, I think as as steeped in history
and there was,
you know, a lot of
I suppose, a lot of talk about co production,
but I don't think there was really a kind of shared
understanding of what it what it meant to actually do,
Um, in practise.
Um and so it was.
I think it's a 5 500 year old
organisation, and I think it was going to take another 500 years
to get them to understand what all that meant. So
I felt like it was time to move on to somewhere.
And I, you know, I'm really pleased that I was able to,
um to come to,
you know,
the trust just because obviously people want
to work in this way.
There is a desire for it to happen.
I just think that we're we're not sure how just how to do it.
Do you think you picked up some learning from it, though that's going to be valuable,
Do you know, even though it was really, really difficult,
Sometimes the things that like
that that are challenging or sometimes the things that might not
work at that particular time could be the things that,
like, you know,
that preach to give us the most valuable kind of
inspiration.
And not only that, like, you know, like knowledge and insight and stuff like that.
Do you think you picked anything up that's gonna
prepare you?
I think, Um,
so I spent three years there, and I think in that time it was all about relationships,
you know, and and kind of
having those real conversations with people and not feeling scared
about having conversations with people who you would normally feel were
maybe in a higher position than you are. You know,
down some of those barriers,
it really helped in that way. So it kind of built confidence exposing me
to understand
that, actually, we're all people
and that, and we need to have conversations with people in order to understand
what
what the heck is going on?
Um, it's about those connections, isn't it? I think
that seems like a brilliant point on which to To to bring it to a close. Do you think
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