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my first question is, could you tell me a little bit about yourself?

So a bit of like my background.

So I was born deaf.

So to start with, I was born hard of hearing.

And then as I grew older, I became profoundly deaf.

Roughly when I was about a teenager,

and then I got a cochlear implant. I have a cochlear implant,

and I have a hearing aid in my left ear.

So I use both a cochlear implant

and a hearing aid. I can speak as well, but BSL is my first language.

So my background I do, uh, in terms of career is I'm a BSL teacher

and I work at York Saint John.

Is there anything more that Mm.

I'm just trying to think of anything more that you want to know

what? What's important to you in your life,

family and friends

and what is extremely, they're the most, uh, extremely important.

And the most extremely important is the dogs. Dogs is absolutely my, um, passion.

So, um, they're very important in my life.

Oh, that's really lovely to tonight.

So my husband is is probably fourth in the pecking order, and my

um,

three dogs are come. Certainly before him.

My life. My dogs are Yeah.

Have you got I've got three dogs as well. Have you got three dogs?

So So I have three dogs.

Yeah. To be honest, if I'm,

I'll be careful where I say it, but definitely, it's the dogs first.

The the Children. It's really hard. It's hard. Richard, you pick. You know

the dogs. Um, You arrive at the home and, you know, it's straight away to the dogs.

Your daughter can wait,

but it's straight away. The dogs.

Absolutely.

Two years of being stuck at home in Covid. The dogs were my company.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

So before lockdown, I had two dogs,

and then, um really, sadly, one died. One died through lockdown.

It was absolutely horrific. I was really, really upset.

And then the second one

and then, um

yeah, so we got the second one last year and then the third one this year,

but yeah, they're lovely.

That sounds like really tough, but yeah.

Yeah, very difficult.

Yeah.

And yeah, anything with the dog is difficult.

So I've got a few questions that I'd like to ask you.

Absolutely.

Ah, yeah. I'm all ready.

Well, so, um, thank you for sharing

a bit about yourself.

I was wondering

if you could share with me.

What impact did the Covid pandemic and lockdowns have on your life as a deaf person?

It was extremely difficult through covid and through lockdown.

So before I used to live in New York, I lived in my partner in New York.

And then when things went into lockdown

and when lockdown started, he said, Oh, it's best you go back home to Doncaster

to, um, look after your mother

and it's the same. He went to,

um, his mother, my partner's death.

And so I thought, you know, for two weeks, three weeks, I thought, you know, OK.

And yet everything is still the same now, so it's been extremely difficult.

It was a difficult life decision.

And then everybody knows, You know,

in the first year everybody stayed in for the first year, people didn't go out at all.

There's just things online, even online shopping. So I didn't go out at all.

It was extremely difficult.

And then the following year, with 2021

so before that back, going back to 2020 I was ended up in hospital

and I had to have, um, an operation and I was in there for three weeks,

but it wasn't linked to covid at all. It's just, um,

linked to the knee

and linked to, um, my knee keep kept locking it you couldn't bend at all,

couldn't bend my knee.

I couldn't straighten it. So I had to have an operation.

And going there through covid was horrific because

the hospital experience was awful with the masks.

I kept saying to them, I'm profoundly deaf

and everyone was wearing masks.

They wouldn't and say Please, please, please,

can you lower the mask when you're talking to me?

But the staff wouldn't do that,

and I could not tell what they're saying at all.

So I had a lot of difficulties through covid with, um,

barriers of not being able to understand what people are saying.

They'd constantly be wearing the masks.

You'd ask them to take it off, and they wouldn't.

And

I just didn't understand what they were saying.

So, for example, with medication, So I was having to take some medication.

Um, I can't say the name of the medication. I have no idea what it was.

And, um

so even like being able to pronounce, I might be able to recognise the name.

But being able to pronounce the name of the medication is very difficult,

and people would find that quite annoying. Staff members would find it annoying.

Um,

so that was really difficult with the actual medication.

And then,

you know, I should really have been in six weeks or seven weeks,

but in the third week they said, Oh, um, they think it's best if you go home because,

oh, it's safer for you going home.

And so they finally at the end wrote a note to me, and it's there going,

Why didn't you write information down at the start?

Um,

so there's they're saying, Oh, there's a lady over there

and, um, somebody in the wards tested positive

so they'd had to write that down to tell me about Covid.

Um, so it was on the same ward. Yes, we were far, but not that far.

So, um, they'd written down to me to tell me to go home,

I then stayed.

I went home,

but my mother's vulnerable because of her age and other health conditions.

So I ended up just staying in the bedroom and locked away.

And I ended up being, um, positive for covid from the hospital.

And I was extremely poorly with it,

and it was really, really difficult.

I had to have an The ambulance came

because I have asthma as well. So the ambulance ended up coming

and again I was taken back to hospital.

And then you've got all the issues again with masks

and not being able to understand people and communicate.

I just felt worn out. Absolutely.

It's like it's like almost being just burnt out because

the drain of not being able to, um,

communicate and it's just you just felt What are people saying?

And you're using all your energy trying to understand

And, you know, you'd say people I'm deaf,

but people wouldn't think to communicate in a different way.

So there were so many problems through covid with it,

and then when I went back,

I ended up going to hospital to and from hospital regularly through, um,

lockdowns for different health reasons,

and I ended up going several times and again it was linked.

A lot of it was linked to Covid, And every time I went back,

it was horrific.

You got you got this feeling of Oh,

I really don't want to go because you've got the masks and you've

got the barriers of communication and then people trying to talk to you

and you just had no idea what they were saying.

You just didn't understand anything that they were saying.

So you just thought whatever, um, couldn't do anything.

And you just ended up just like almost

nodding along as if pretending you understood.

Whereas you had no idea what was going on.

And it still really frustrates me with what happened with the

communication and the masks and people not willing to lower them,

what could have been done differently?

So what they should have done, they should have had better awareness.

So for any deaf people, not just myself, but for

every other deaf person or people with hard of hearing,

they need to think, Oh, that person's deaf.

It might be that, um,

they should have provided sign video so you could have an interpreter on a screen

that would have been one option for BSL users. Or they could have written some notes,

Um,

some of the doctors and nurses again.

When they're right, you can't tell what they've said,

so they need to be really clear with the writing.

They needed white paper or easy, easy writing or even a whiteboard where you could,

like, rub off a message and just write back.

But it's just little things that, um,

would have made massive changes that they could have done.

Can I ask you, did these things

exist before covid in in the wider world?

Do you mean the sign? Video and stuff?

And I mean people not trying to commute be accessible,

so it's always been the same,

and so it's always been the same.

But before covid,

you have problems with lip reading and you try and lip read people

and then masks exaggerated and exacerbated

the issues because, um, obviously you then had no access

to people's lip patterns.

So before I'd say they didn't, I think it got worse during covid.

But in terms of actually people being accessible and trying things, um,

I'd say it was similar.

Um, people might maybe have come closer

prior to covid and tried and like, um, wrote something or showed you something.

But then through covid, people wouldn't do that. So

I think it definitely made it worse. But the accessibility wise was the same.

Thanks for sharing that.

So,

um, you clearly work? You are extremely busy.

You made some really,

um, challenging choices about

going home to look after your loved one.

How did you

know what to do?

And how did you organise your life as a deaf person during the pandemic?

So I'd be doing zoom every week with friends and I'd try to have a bit of

a, um, social try and think positively,

um, and have a bit of an importance. It's really important to laugh throughout.

So for myself, I'd organise like quizzes with my friends.

And so a lot of my deaf friends have got a small group of really good deaf friends,

and we try and think of different things to do

and trying to keep the brain active,

not just sitting there and thinking only about work and being online.

We needed to try and engage and

have a bit of fun and

a bit of a a bit of a laugh.

So we regularly did that. It was quite tiring.

Um,

and the eyes concentrating on the screen can be really difficult.

So, for example,

if you think there's six deaf people on the

screen and they're all standing at the same time,

it can be really difficult trying to,

um, grasp on people not to talk over each other so it can be really tiring and call it,

um,

eye gaze. That can be really difficult. Um, but then, yeah.

So we did a lot of zoom calls

and going home and looking after your mom.

Like, did you think that the information out there was useful information?

Was it accessible? So, like,

I access a lot of information on

the on the Internet? Not at all.

Not at all. Absolutely not.

No.

So it was a lot of frustration because on the BBC news

and, uh, Channel One, there's no interpreter.

You had to go on to, uh, chat a different channel,

but not

to deaf. People had access to that channel,

and it depended on what TV you had and what channels you had.

They should have provided it,

uh, all the time.

So all the updates, they should have had an interpreter,

and they should have been really clear with the information.

There was a lot of waffle in there.

There was a lot of confusing information that's conflicting.

You really just needed simple bullet points,

Um, for not just for deaf people, but for all the hearing people.

For them to try and understand what was going on

it for me, it was really difficult trying to actually understand it.

I'd ask my mother and say I'd ask my daughter

and say What are they saying on the news now?

And they're like, Oh, we don't know.

And it was stressing, My it was stressing my daughter out, and they were saying

and my my mother was, um

with her being at risk and she was seen as quite high risk and vulnerable,

it meant she got different information.

So there's a lot of frustration over not being able to

access the information because both my mother and daughter were hearing

and then for me, accessing the information, it was totally different.

And then you have to rely on other people,

and it's just this constant. What are you allowed to do?

What are you not allowed to do this? You're not allowed to do that.

And you'd be thinking,

I don't You know what?

So it was a real It was a real problem for deaf people.

Did that surprise you? That it was a problem.

So in terms of the information with covid,

Yes,

it's kind of the same as always, in terms of accessing information.

But

they were talking well, when they were talking like Freedom Day.

I still didn't, um I was still very reserved. I was still very

unsure because of what we've been through and having to go

to hospital so many times and through covid as well,

and then having the operations,

Um,

I just myself, I just thought I didn't I wasn't in a rush to go out at all.

So,

um, you know, you don't know who else had it? You don't know.

It wasn't such a thing as Freedom Day. And for me, it's even.

I continued being careful with the distancing, So

it took me a long time to go back to places where it was busier

and it took me a long time before actually being able and comfortable to go out.

Um,

I'd say in terms of accessing information, it's exactly the same as always.

And it was extremely confusing

because then they're saying, You can do this, then you can't do this.

Then they change your mind. Oh, you can do this And then then you can't do that

and it's like, Well, which is it? And which is the right information?

There's nothing that's clear about it at all.

Why do you think

that approach has been

one that's been applied across the board?

What do you mean, Sorry.

do you think there's a reason why deaf people don't get accessible information?

Do you think there's a reason why some of those decisions were made

around not having interpreters?

Well, for example, in Scotland, they provided an interpreter.

The Scottish Covid News is very, very clear. What's going on in Scotland?

They regularly had interpreters there again in Wales. They had very, very clear,

um, interpreter there for every meeting and every news update.

There was nothing in England.

So why was that?

So the problem was,

I think

so. For example, if it's all day on the news, it would be extremely expensive travel

if it's all day on the news.

Um,

and you can't just have one interpreter for all day,

so you'd need lots of interpreters.

Um, throughout the day, if you were doing regular updates

and the other thing,

it might be that deaf people understood the interpreters. But some deaf,

um, it depends on their language levels that could really that could really vary.

So, um,

some people might not understand the interpreter even

if they have an interpreter on BBC,

because the interpreter is impossible for them to match

their register to every deaf person in the country.

So how could you improve? That would be the question.

mm.

It's hard.

But luckily for myself, I could watch and I could understand.

But a lot of other the deaf.

There's a lot of barriers in terms

of them understanding and accessing the English information

and depending on the English levels.

And I think there's one deaf.

Um, there's a wonderful deaf person,

and I really struggled to understand when they were and,

so I was facetiming and I had to really explain to them and say, Right,

you have to be careful.

You've got to do this because they hadn't understand they didn't have

the English skills to be able to watch and use and understand.

So I had to watch what was happening.

And then I had to, um, tell and relay the information to them.

So I think there's two different ways of things that are happening.

It depends on people's signing skills and also the English skills.

Um,

and I think, really, in a really ideal world, you'd have

you'd have the interpreter and then you'd also have the written English, um,

together.

And that would have been

the most accessible way.

you touched on cost. Do you think some of the decisions

that are made around access

are based on cost rather than

electronic?

Enable people to live good lives?

I don't know. In terms of the political aspect,

I don't I don't know. Um,

I it's just extremely frustrating,

so I'm not sure what the reasons would be. A

lot of deaf people.

Oh, they'd say there's where the interpreter and is there.

Um,

so I'm not sure if you heard of the lady

who was deaf and she created the campaign saying,

Where's the interpreter?

And she took the government to court saying, Where's the interpreter?

It became a hashtag

um, saying Where's the interpreter.

And really, it should have been.

Well, you know, I think everybody signed online to,

um there's a petition for the government.

It shouldn't have just been one person.

It should have been the whole deaf community.

Um,

and it should have been something like that, because

because how can you, um, access its access for everybody?

So the older generations of deaf people they didn't have, you know,

they don't have access to the computers, necessarily.

They might struggle with zoom or

and then struggle trying to get the information.

So it's making sure it's not just one individual that should have taken,

um, the politicians to court. It should have been the community as a whole,

Really interesting points. And

I was wondering you started to talk about this.

So what does

you know? There's lots of talk about a

post pandemic world or,

you know, we're out of covid. What does that feeling look like to you as a deaf person?

I feel it's still out there.

Um,

I don't think it's disappeared.

And for myself,

I'd say I was extremely anxious when I was going back,

and when particularly going back to campus, I was extremely anxious.

Um,

I've got used to it now,

but

it's still I think Covid is still out there.

How many people actually have the vaccines or how many don't have the vaccines?

You never know.

And still, for me, I don't want to get too close to people.

But if you walk in, for example, near town,

Um, I'm very mindful of the people around me.

So I haven't been to town for such a long time because I think I've only been once

because it's still that mindset of you're not really

sure what's going on and what people are like.

So my view is, um,

the masks would are useful for protection, but

lots of people.

So, for example, myself who's asthma or anybody who's vulnerable or,

um, I just feel like really people who can.

I feel

it should be wearing masks in a lot of ways because it's much safer.

So, for example, when you go in the NHS still, when you go to the hospital,

you still have to wear masks,

and I think really it should be back for people's safety

because at the moment the numbers are really high with Covid

It's not just covid, but there's so many other, um,

horrible things spreading at the moment, so I'm not sure if the masks will come back.

I think people have almost forgotten. It's like people have just gone,

um, not bothered. And they've just forgotten and, um, wanting to get back out there.

Yeah. Um,

you talked about

work. So what happened to you? How did you work during covid? Like, how did you,

um, do the work that you do?

So I absolutely love working from home. It is wonderful working from home.

I know.

Also, I'm nice to save on petrol because it's quite a commute now.

And at the same time, I was looking after my mother,

so it was lovely.

I absolutely loved working from home, and I love working from home still,

um,

so, you know, you could go to the toilet, go for coffee.

You were able to, um, get a bit of food. It was just so easy.

But

the students didn't like it,

and they had a lot of annoying, uh, annoyance pieces depended on the WiFi.

So you then struggled If people started freezing on

screen with the technology issues and the WiFi issues.

That could really be problematic.

And one of the negatives was that was one of the major negatives was the WiFi.

But for me, I absolutely love being at home. I just Yeah, I like that aspect of it.

I got extra sleeping in the morning.

I didn't have to wake up really super duper early to get to work.

I could, you know, you could have slippers on.

And then, whereas now you've got to get tight shoes,

dress and get everything on that's not so comfortable and

set off to work.

And also

I was teaching when I was in hospital.

I was able to have that flexibility so I could get the laptop up

because there's no sound

and because there's no sound on the computer,

I could sit in the ward and I could teach.

So and the nurses accepted that I would work and work accepted it,

And that's how I continued with the teaching. So even though

I was in hospital for those three weeks,

I was still able to teach and it's quite funny

and the students accepted and the students loved it,

and you'd just say, Oh, sorry, I've got my hospital dinner. That's just arriving.

I've got my pudding, and I'll be showing them the pudding.

Um, but you were able to have that flexibility,

and you could have a bit of a joke with the students about that.

And then after

after I got covid, um, I stopped teaching.

I had to stop teaching because I was too poorly.

So I had to stop. Um, for two months.

Once, I'd caught covid and had to get somebody to come in and cover me because, um,

I was too poorly.

I was too ill. And I had no energy. I wasn't able to do anything,

but, um, yeah, I actually really enjoyed working from home.

Yeah,

a lot of people have talked about how working

from home has been more accessible for them.

Hm.

I think

there's more access, but it's more also,

you could have a bit more, um, relationship with, um, your manager,

because they had to sit and do a call with you.

So before they'd almost pass you in the corridor and you wouldn't have time,

whereas, um, the teams in the chat box,

you were able to actually put things in and you didn't necessarily know

and

and people said, Oh, should we please remove the chat box?

And I said, No, no, no, because I want to know what's going on.

I want to know what people are talking about.

And you got those bits of incidental

information that you wouldn't necessarily get.

So I feel I've got more access than before COVID.

Cos you were seeing what people are put in the chat.

So it was really interesting you were able to suddenly access this whole new world.

Oh,

so I was wondering if you could share with me. So you

talked about the barriers that you had when you were in hospital for,

um, your knee problem. Um, And then when

you got covid, did you worry that

you wouldn't be able to get the support

you needed because it just wouldn't be accessible?

Or did you?

What was going on for you at the time?

I suppose you got used to it over the years. It's not just covid.

It's like people saying, Oh, I'm sorry. We've not booked an interpreter

and you almost get used to it. You know that they won't provide it.

You know that you're not gonna get the service that you should.

So I been

to hospital for something,

and it's always you always end up like nodding the head,

and people think that you understand?

And then, actually, when you come home, you're thinking Hm.

I don't know what was said to me.

And then later, when I went back for another appointment,

and, um

and they say, Are you ready? And I'm, like, ready for what?

And I had no idea. They said I told you before, and I I had no idea.

A lot of the time I would have nodded my head because you feel you have to,

but you hadn't actually understood what they'd said to you.

So, for example,

then when they talk to you,

it would have been so much easier if they then sent an email or,

um jotted down some notes explaining the key

points to you to make sure you'd understood.

And particularly if there's no interpreter. Obviously,

um, but they wouldn't accept doing anything like that.

They wouldn't do an email because they'd say our confidentiality, and it's like,

Oh, how can deaf people get access if you weren't, You know,

you won't take mobile phones or you won't take,

um, email addresses. What can you do? And

even now, they still won, um, accept mobiles as as a form of, um,

that because of confidentiality.

And you just think Oh, come on.

So I I feel like for years and years, you've always had this issue,

so you just got accepted to it.

So maybe in 30 years time, things will be better.

And then people will be watching them go. Oh, I should have done that back in my time.

Maybe. You know,

maybe in 30 years, things will have improved. Who knows?

Let's hope so.

Yeah.

Can I ask you, um,

what do you think?

As a society, we have learned anything as a result of covid and the pandemic.

Think they've forgotten everything

I think they forgot.

I think people just forgotten.

So for myself, I've noticed, For example, when you go to NHS

and you see the hand gel

and you can see so many times people just walk right past,

they don't do it, they don't use it.

And it's like, What is that?

Um, but people don't use it.

I think people have just forgotten

and this project is about

trying to get the voice of deaf and disabled people heard

or at the covid inquiry level.

What would you want?

The covid inquiry to know about the experiences of deaf people.

Lack of interpreters. Where were the interpreters?

And then

they should have written down things clearly

because you weren't able to access information.

If they weren't providing interpreters,

there should have been simple. Um, whether it is a video, you can you know the sign.

Like you can You can get all these, um, video. Sorry, video in the systems.

And, um,

you could get that they should have been using them where

you literally can bring tablets and you talk into it,

and someone signs and you have that live interpreting situation.

Um,

they could have done that. Whereas it signed signed lab with an interpreter.

They should have had simple information.

They should have special masks and that they needed to either remove them or have,

um, clear masks so that you could see people.

And also don't forget, you know, if somebody says the death,

look at the way that you're speaking to them. Look what?

Look at the person who's deaf so they can lip read.

You don't turn away and speak to them and mumble,

because this is what kept happening.

So it's not only the masks you need to move, the mask masks down

and you need to check on people's notes from the patients.

You need to check on the individual person and ask them, you know,

know if they're deaf.

What what do they need? What's the communication needs?

Not just our,

um what? Whatever

they think is best, you need to ask, What is it that they need

and check the notes. And again,

it's all about it coming back to politics and it comes back to money.

Everything comes back to politics and money and who's paying for it?

And that's where all the that's usually where the problem lies is, um,

down to politics and the money.

So,

um,

I don't know if this is a leading question, so feel free not to answer it.

Do so.

Is this also about how we value deaf people in our society?

Yeah,

there's still a massive SE separation between

the hearing and deaf worlds.

I don't feel that society

fully sees the deaf world. They just almost think, Oh, what is that? And they don't

there's they don't have understanding that they think,

um, that we're completely different. They don't think that we're equal. It's,

I think, a very different society. I think there's definitely a split. Still,

definitely.

That's just my view.

That's just my personal view.

And what need What can we do to change that?

It's campaigning, campaigning for,

um,

any disability. It's not just deafness, but it's

It's not just I know. For example, in disabled Week,

it's It's It's not just one week in the year it needs

to be continual that people are regularly reminded about the key points.

It's just, I'd say, really having a big campaign through advertising

in schools, you needing to access and, um,

education.

For them,

it might be some basic BSL in school or basic deaf awareness that could happen.

And as a child gets older

and they'll know not to shout at the deaf person,

they know that the little intricate details of, um, deaf edu deaf culture,

such as tapping somebody on the shoulder rather than

just shouting at them to get someone's attention.

So it's just tiny little things that could massively improve,

and they make a big difference.

And I think really, it just needs to be. The awareness needs to be out there.

if you remember on strictly come dancing, there is Rose on Strictly Come dancing,

for example,

Rosie Rose rose on strictly come dancing

and everyone's then started looking on.

The Google searches for BSL were then sky

skyrocketed and people demanding for the course.

And then, as soon as she's gone off the screen

that's disappeared, the interest is gone.

where, you know, where are the people searching now? Just because

it's somebody

actually being shown in front of other people.

So you need it to be seen,

you need it to be visible to then get the people to engage with the content

that sound. That strikes me as really profound because

you've talked about how

the lack of access and the lack of

inters

would clearly mean that people can't be present in society.

And then how do we get

to a

society where everyone has

purpose and meaning in place? If that certain people aren't present?

Yeah,

and is remembering that death is invisible? You can't spot when somebody's deaf

and you can only see it if someone's actually signing.

So a lot of the time, people have no idea.

If you're walking down the street, it's it's invisible.

Um, so

you know,

before there was a billboard and they'd have adverts with billboards all over.

And now I feel like even those sorts of things have become less and less

so. Even in the bus stop, they'd have something.

There used to be something on the bus stop. Um, previously,

just a bit of information. Just little tiny things.

Um,

so as I think it's outside

ASDA, they had a screen with, um, somebody signing

for customer service, saying customer service will help you

and I thought, That's fine.

But if deaf people come

and they start signing

and staff will think What

what do we do? They can't help the deaf community,

and I also feel like they misuse the advert.

So I think that you need to have these simple

points of reminding whether it's on a bus stop,

whether it's on the side of a billboard or wherever.

It is

just simple points that need to be keep reminded for society just

to reiterate that message home

and then to try and improve, um, improve people's awareness in society

Really important points.

you have anything else you wanted to share with

me about your experience of the covid pandemic?

Just having to think there was something else linked to the NHS.

So when I had the operation,

it was an emergency operation. So,

um, I wasn't in,

and I'll just never forget what happened.

So there was a lady who was a nurse,

and she was like saying calm down or whatever, and

And she she took her mask down and she went, Oh, I sign

And

and I was like, OK,

but

do you know the medical terminologies? Do you know the medical signs?

Do you know the right information or are you gonna sign the wrong information to me?

Um,

I know she's trying to help, and I know she's trying to help me,

but actually, I needed a proper,

fully qualified interpreter to access the information.

And it's the same. When I went for the, um boosters or the jabs.

Everyone all wore masks

and they'd speak at you and

again, you know, his name and date of birth or whatever else.

And then I'd say, Please, can you take your mask down for me to understand?

And every time,

every time I went for a booster,

I just felt like I've not understood what was being said.

And I know that they're all busy. I know. And I really appreciate the staff.

Um, and I know the demand on the NHS,

but really, they just needed a clear mask, and then I'd be able to

li I'd be able to understand what was being said.

Um,

and I just didn't understand why they weren't using those.

It would have been such a simple solution.

And I know the clear masks can be a bit of an issue in terms of steam

and a bit of reflection.

But through covid, you know, you could wear them. Um, so

I just didn't understand why people weren't doing that. Such a simple solution.

Absolutely. I have no understanding either.

Do you have any questions for me?

I hope I've covered enough for you.

Hm.

I think I've covered it enough for you.

I'm just trying to make sure I've covered all the points for you.

It's just to chat about your experience.

So what's interesting now?

Hm?

So on campus. So, for example, students.

Some of my students are still wearing masks, and they are very,

um,

it's really interesting. So when they're signing, they then take the mask down.

It's really bizarre that some of the students and

I can't really quite get my head around it,

and, you know, well, for them for being brave.

But

the students are still wearing masks, but

it's really interesting because our course is probably the one that they wouldn't.

Um,

but you just feel like

it's it's just really interesting that

people are just trying to get on with it.

And you still have to be careful, but just not forget that it's still out there.

Absolutely.

Do you have any questions you wanted to ask me?

Um, I've got, uh you've answered all my questions.

I don't think so.

Ok, I'm gonna stop.

No,

if I've got anything

I can maybe email you

Absolutely.

So I'm gonna stop the recording there. Um

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